Wind Farms Petition

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Wind Farms Petition

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Simon Caldwell

2007-02-14 11:58:11 UTC

Just found this petition, I think there are quite a few folk round
here who'll want to sign it:
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/WindTurbines

Simon

Dave Fawthrop

2007-02-14 13:51:39 UTC

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On 14 Feb 2007 03:58:11 -0800, "Simon Caldwell" <***@gmail.com>
wrote:

|!Just found this petition, I think there are quite a few folk round
|!here who'll want to sign it:
|!http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/WindTurbines

I like windfarms.

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Arecibo

2007-02-14 15:05:01 UTC

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Post by Dave Fawthrop

Post by Dave Fawthrop
!Just found this petition, I think there are quite a few folk round
!http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/WindTurbines

I like windfarms.

Can we build ours around you then?

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We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to withdraw all
subsidies and support to on-shore wind farms in valued landscapes.
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/WindTurbines

Boo

2007-02-14 15:41:25 UTC

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Post by Dave Fawthrop
On 14 Feb 2007 03:58:11 -0800, "Simon Caldwell"

Post by Dave Fawthrop
!Just found this petition, I think there are quite a few folk round
!http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/WindTurbines

I like windfarms.

Can we build ours around you then?

Why not just build them in Scotland ?

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Boo

Broadback

2007-02-14 17:23:25 UTC

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Post by Dave Fawthrop
On 14 Feb 2007 03:58:11 -0800, "Simon Caldwell"

Post by Dave Fawthrop
!Just found this petition, I think there are quite a few folk round
!http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/WindTurbines

I like windfarms.

Can we build ours around you then?

Why not just build them in Scotland ?

I realise that I am not being logical, but I hate them with all my
heart. I latch onto all the negative publicity, such as that they do not
generate much electricity and they have to have back up power stations
anyway.

Boo

2007-02-14 20:39:12 UTC

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Post by Broadback
I realise that I am not being logical, but I hate them with all my
heart. I latch onto all the negative publicity, such as that they do not
generate much electricity and they have to have back up power stations
anyway.

You can still have CO2 output savings whilst needing backup power stations for
the times when wind turbines aren't generating much.

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Boo

GSV Three Minds in a Can

2007-02-14 21:56:28 UTC

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Post by Dave Fawthrop
On 14 Feb 2007 03:58:11 -0800, "Simon Caldwell"

Post by Dave Fawthrop
!Just found this petition, I think there are quite a few folk round
!http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/WindTurbines

I like windfarms.

Can we build ours around you then?

Why not just build them in Scotland ?

Because you then need 100s of miles of power pylons staggering across
the country to where the demand is (where the people are)??

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Dave Fawthrop

2007-02-15 07:37:12 UTC

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cupra

2007-02-15 10:36:32 UTC

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Post by Dave Fawthrop
On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 21:56:28 +0000, GSV Three Minds in a Can

Post by Dave Fawthrop
!>>
!>>> On 14 Feb 2007 03:58:11 -0800, "Simon Caldwell"
!>>>
!>>>> !Just found this petition, I think there are quite a few folk
!>>>> !http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/WindTurbines
!>>>
!>>> I like windfarms.
!>> Can we build ours around you then?
!>>
!>
!>Why not just build them in Scotland ?
!
!Because you then need 100s of miles of power pylons staggering
across !the country to where the demand is (where the people are)??

Living in Yorkshire where the coalfields are/were we have lots of
National Grid lines. I walked under one yesterday and did not think
it too intrusive.

And you think that they can simply hook up a turbine to an existing line?
Not that simple I'm afraid, even if you decided to build a turbine slap bang
next door to a power station....

Dave Fawthrop

2007-02-15 11:41:45 UTC

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cupra

2007-02-15 13:15:47 UTC

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Post by Dave Fawthrop
On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 10:36:32 -0000, " cupra"

Post by Dave Fawthrop
!> On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 21:56:28 +0000, GSV Three Minds in a Can
!>
the !>> !wonderful person Boo
!>> !>>
!>> !>>> On 14 Feb 2007 03:58:11 -0800, "Simon Caldwell"
!>> !>>>
!>> !>>>> !Just found this petition, I think there are quite a few
!>> !>>>> !http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/WindTurbines
!>> !>>>
!>> !>>> I like windfarms.
!>> !>> Can we build ours around you then?
!>> !>>
!>> !>
!>> !>Why not just build them in Scotland ?
!>> !
!>> !Because you then need 100s of miles of power pylons staggering
!>> across !the country to where the demand is (where the people
are)?? !>
!> Living in Yorkshire where the coalfields are/were we have lots of
!> National Grid lines. I walked under one yesterday and did not
think !> it too intrusive.
!
!And you think that they can simply hook up a turbine to an existing
line? !Not that simple I'm afraid, even if you decided to build a
turbine slap bang !next door to a power station....

Which has nothing to do with my post.

OP - Petition about 'intrusive' wind farms.

Previous comment - 100's of miles of pylons.

Your comment - existing pylons not intrusive.

My comment.... linking existing pylons and new wind farms <> possible in all
cases so more 'intrusive' pylons required which increase industrialisation
of the countryside, matching up nicely with the petition....

Boo

2007-02-15 10:12:20 UTC

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Post by Dave Fawthrop
On 14 Feb 2007 03:58:11 -0800, "Simon Caldwell"

Post by Dave Fawthrop
!Just found this petition, I think there are quite a few folk round
!http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/WindTurbines

I like windfarms.

Can we build ours around you then?

Why not just build them in Scotland ?

Because you then need 100s of miles of power pylons staggering across
the country to where the demand is (where the people are)??

Why not send the electricity down in tankers like they currently do with our oil ?

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Boo

Dave Fawthrop

2007-02-15 10:45:32 UTC

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Colin MacDonald

2007-02-15 11:00:33 UTC

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Post by Dave Fawthrop
|!Why not send the electricity down in tankers like they currently do with our oil ?
ROTFLMAO Electricity can not be stored.

I think you are rather missing the point of that post. (And not for
the first time: "Yes but nobody is going to carry it on the chance
that someone may have hart fibrillation.")

Colin

Boo

2007-02-15 22:31:56 UTC

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Post by Colin MacDonald
I think you are rather missing the point of that post.

true :-)

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Peter Clinch

2007-02-15 11:04:51 UTC

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Post by Dave Fawthrop
ROTFLMAO Electricity can not be stored.

Perhaps Boo was, just /possibly/, being facetious?

Post by Dave Fawthrop
Some day it may be possible to turn the power into hydrogen and transport
that, but it is impossible ATM.

So what about these so-called "battery" thingies I've been hearing
about? ;-)

Pete.

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Dave Fawthrop

2007-02-15 11:43:33 UTC

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Simon Challands

2007-02-16 00:15:37 UTC

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Post by Dave Fawthrop
|!So what about these so-called "battery" thingies I've been hearing
|!about? ;-)
Should have mentioned large quantities. :-(

That place in Wales that I can't spell (Dinorwig?) is essentially a giant
battery.

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Dave Fawthrop

2007-02-16 07:23:15 UTC

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Bill Grey

2007-02-17 13:24:15 UTC

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Post by Simon Challands

Post by Dave Fawthrop
|!So what about these so-called "battery" thingies I've been hearing
|!about? ;-)
Should have mentioned large quantities. :-(

That place in Wales that I can't spell (Dinorwig?) is essentially a giant
battery.

In a Way, but of course its the water that is stored ready for a quick
response to high load demand.

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Bill Grey

2007-02-15 22:05:48 UTC

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Post by Peter Clinch

Post by Dave Fawthrop
ROTFLMAO Electricity can not be stored.

Perhaps Boo was, just /possibly/, being facetious?

Post by Dave Fawthrop
Some day it may be possible to turn the power into hydrogen and transport
that, but it is impossible ATM.

So what about these so-called "battery" thingies I've been hearing
about? ;-)
Pete.

For shame Peter :-)

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Bill Grey

Boo

2007-02-15 22:33:13 UTC

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Post by Peter Clinch
So what about these so-called "battery" thingies I've been hearing
about? ;-)

A decent battery would go a long way to help the fight against GW it's true.

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Boo

Chris Eilbeck

2007-02-14 20:40:27 UTC

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Post by Arecibo

Post by Dave Fawthrop

Post by Dave Fawthrop
!Just found this petition, I think there are quite a few folk
!http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/WindTurbines

I like windfarms.

Can we build ours around you then?

Please do! I'd be much happier with them than with a conventional
power plant. There's a whole 11 acres opposite my place, you can put
as many as you like there.

Chris

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Mike Clark

2007-02-15 13:04:55 UTC

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Post by Chris Eilbeck

Post by Arecibo

Post by Dave Fawthrop

Post by Dave Fawthrop
!Just found this petition, I think there are quite a few folk
!http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/WindTurbines

I like windfarms.

Can we build ours around you then?

Please do! I'd be much happier with them than with a conventional
power plant. There's a whole 11 acres opposite my place, you can put
as many as you like there.
Chris

Given the transmission power loss in getting power generated by
windfarms in the North West to where it will be consumed in the South
East it seems to me to be far more sensible to go ahead with smaller
wind farm proposals closer to urban conurbations in the South-East. Only
once we have exausted the brownfield potential should we even
contemplate wilderness areas. The problem is of course that lots of
people live near brown field sites and so NIMBYism has a stronger voice
with the politicians.

Mike

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214Fells

2007-02-14 19:20:26 UTC

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Post by Dave Fawthrop
|!Just found this petition, I think there are quite a few folk round
|!http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/WindTurbines
I like windfarms.

So do I...on the one proviso that they're build in boring countryside
e.g. where I live.

The boring fens are enhanced by the windfarms.

David.
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Chris Eilbeck

2007-02-14 20:39:13 UTC

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Post by Dave Fawthrop
|!Just found this petition, I think there are quite a few folk round
|!http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/WindTurbines
I like windfarms.

Me too. They're mesmerising.

Chris

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Wm...

2007-02-14 23:25:02 UTC

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Post by Chris Eilbeck

Post by Dave Fawthrop
|!Just found this petition, I think there are quite a few folk round
|!http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/WindTurbines
I like windfarms.

Me too. They're mesmerising.

AOL. I like them. One of the most stunning views I have ever seen or
photographed, the kind that settles in your mind, is wind turbines in
southern California. Sheer beauty, power of nature utilised in the
landscape.

What a pity the petition doesn't have an option for people to vote
against it.

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Dave Fawthrop

2007-02-15 07:41:08 UTC

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Paul Day

2007-02-15 01:12:55 UTC

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Post by Simon Caldwell
Just found this petition, I think there are quite a few folk round
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/WindTurbines

Is it a petition _for_ wind-farms because they're much better than
coal-fired stations or a petition _against_ wind-farms bceause
hyporitcal whingers don't want them in their own back-yard? ;)

It's a bit like mobile towers really. "Reception at my house sucks! Why
can't they fix it?" vs "I don't want an ugly cancer-causing mobile phone
tower near me!". Can't have your cake and eat it too. :)

PD

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Simon Challands

2007-02-16 00:18:12 UTC

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Post by Paul Day
Is it a petition _for_ wind-farms because they're much better than
coal-fired stations or a petition _against_ wind-farms bceause
hyporitcal whingers don't want them in their own back-yard? ;)

Funny, I find those wanting wind farms incredibly hypocritical.

Post by Paul Day
It's a bit like mobile towers really. "Reception at my house sucks! Why
can't they fix it?" vs "I don't want an ugly cancer-causing mobile phone
tower near me!". Can't have your cake and eat it too. :)

And I can't stand mobile phones, so no reception and no mast is perfectly
fine by me!

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Simon Caldwell

2007-02-25 16:06:50 UTC

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Try reading it. It's a petition against inappropriately sited
windfarms. Like the one on Lewis, which apart from the affect it will
have locally, will require a line of huge pylons through the middle of
the Highlands to transport the power south. Or rather, transport 75%
of it, the rest will be lost.

I want wind farms in my own back yard please. I don't want them to
ruin what little wild land we have left. And it's not as if we won't
still need conventional power stations for when there isn't any wind.

It's only like mobile phone towers if they're proposing on erecting
them on top of our hills and mountains. Which they're not - yet.

Simon

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Steve Pardoe

2007-02-20 18:58:20 UTC

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Hi, Simon & all,

Post by Simon Caldwell
Just found this petition, I think there are quite a few folk round
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/WindTurbines
Simon

Yes, I think onshore wind farms are generally a pretty stupid idea, and
especially the giant ones proposed for Scotland, since the power isn't
needed up there and the super-grid connection to where it is needed
(basically the south-east of England) will (a) cost a fortune and (b) be
another environmental catastrophe.

We've been successful locally in stopping (pending Appeal) a scheme in an
area which is Green Belt, and also carries other protective designations
including SSSIs. Our campaign is at
http://www.pardoes.com/abo/windfarm.htm in case anyone else here is fighting
such monsters.

Getting even further off topic, there's another Petition about the proposed
ID scheme at http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/NOIdentityCard/

HTH,
Steve P

Andy Bonwick

2007-03-30 16:14:29 UTC

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On 14 Feb 2007 03:58:11 -0800, "Simon Caldwell"

Post by Simon Caldwell
Just found this petition, I think there are quite a few folk round
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/WindTurbines

I'd ban them all. I make my money working on nuclear power stations so
the last thing I want is an alternative source of energy.

zymurgy

2007-04-25 23:57:11 UTC

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Post by Dave Fawthrop
On 14 Feb 2007 03:58:11 -0800, "Simon Caldwell"

Post by Simon Caldwell
Just found this petition, I think there are quite a few folk round
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/WindTurbines

I'd ban them all. I make my money working on nuclear power stations so
the last thing I want is an alternative source of energy.

lol. Now now. No disturbing the sleepier recesses of usenet with your UKRM
banter.

P.